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19:35:27 <Laney> oh ffs
19:35:33 <Daviey> Okay, thanks everyone for attending
19:35:33 <WastePotato> xD
19:35:39 <brobostigon> :)
19:35:39 <Daviey> This is our first meeting of 2009
19:35:47 <Daviey> and my first meeting as Leader / PoC
19:36:01 <brobostigon> yay Daviey , good luck as leader
19:36:11 <Daviey> This meeting has a rather light agenda, but i would like us to try and help make direction
19:36:23 <Daviey> For the forthcomming year, agenda point #1
19:36:38 <popey> # Plans for the year
19:36:41 <Daviey> Laney: can you [TOPIC] Direction for 2009
19:36:47 <Laney> [TOPIC] Direction for 2009
19:36:48 <MootBot> New Topic:  Direction for 2009
19:37:19 <Daviey> Firstly, we have a great attendance at this meeting - that to me is an indication of the Loco getting larger
19:37:24 <Daviey> which is brilliant news.
19:37:43 <Daviey> I would like us to discuss what "can" we do this year?
19:37:59 <Daviey> The first idea i would like to throw out in the pool, is "video"
19:38:11 <Daviey> The linux foundation compo, and such
19:38:18 <Daviey> Does anyone have any views on this?
19:38:23 <popey> yes
19:38:23 <brobostigon> i had the idea, that as i meet alot of engineers in my local, we coul start adverstising in those kinds of places aswell
19:38:38 <Daviey> popey: shoot
19:38:50 <brobostigon> forget what i said
19:38:53 <popey> there are multiple options for creating videos at the moment.. the linux foundation is one..
19:39:03 <popey> the example content replacement is another
19:39:13 <popey> and there is a strategy on the marketing mailing list brewing
19:39:24 <popey> so there are lots of potential areas where "we" could focus
19:39:25 <brobostigon> i would support an alternative method of delivery than flash
19:39:26 <popey> my question is..
19:39:29 <Daviey> (http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest)
19:39:48 <Laney> [link] http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest
19:39:48 <popey> should "we" do this, or should individuals, and if "we" do it, which should we focus on?
19:39:49 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest
19:40:02 <Daviey> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase)
19:40:19 <popey> yeah, the free culture showcase is a great idea, great way to get a nice video on the ubuntu cd..
19:40:23 <popey> if the person wins :)
19:40:26 <Laney> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase
19:40:27 <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase
19:40:41 <Daviey> I'm certainly a fan of a Loco team effort for the Linux foundation
19:41:07 <popey> unfortunately many of these video things don't happen by committee
19:41:11 <Daviey> aye
19:41:12 <MooDoo> Daviey: the only problem i forsee is peoples location.
19:41:13 <popey> but it needs an individual to drive it
19:41:21 <brobostigon> what does the linux foundation do?
19:41:29 <popey> MooDoo: if it's planned well i suspect a 30 second video could be recorded in a weekend
19:41:29 <Daviey> I was about to say that, i'm not a video editing expert and would welcome someone to lead it that is
19:41:35 <gLAsgowMonkey> I don't think this will work as a group
19:41:40 <popey> brobostigon: promotes linux
19:41:41 <Daviey> brobostigon: good question
19:42:02 <popey> it would be a linux video - not an ubuntu video - for the linux foundation however
19:42:11 <brobostigon> popey: thats a good aim, but also a difficult one
19:42:21 <popey> whereas there are two opportunities for ubuntu specific videos.. the marketing team one, and the free software showcase one
19:42:24 <Daviey> MooDoo: if LoCo members submit a snip to go to the "editor", location is irreleavnt
19:42:34 <popey> brobostigon: not our problem, that's what they do
19:42:40 <brobostigon> ok popey
19:42:42 <MooDoo> Daviey: ah clever
19:43:03 <popey> i have had a few video ideas that need storyboarding
19:43:18 <Daviey> So, can we have a quick vote on a LoCo team effort - or individual?
19:43:21 <popey> (nothing to do with microsoft or apple campaigns by the way)
19:43:30 <popey> Daviey: i would say we throw it to the list
19:43:31 <Daviey> Then discuss which ones, or both we should enter
19:43:33 <popey> get people talking about it
19:43:48 <Daviey> sounds wise, but we need to get a move on tho
19:43:53 <MooDoo> +1 for a compilation of individual efforts...
19:43:55 <popey> or.. if people are interested in the marketing team one, point them to the marketing team mailing list?
19:43:58 <popey> rather than splinter
19:44:06 <Laney> Right, vote time
19:44:20 <popey> i dont think it is
19:44:25 <Daviey> hmm, splinter - i would like to see a ubuntu-uk effort to submit to the marketting team
19:44:50 <popey> have you seen the "whyubuntu.com" thread?
19:44:58 <popey> they want LOTS of individual submissions
19:45:06 <Daviey> yeah, not read all entries - but i do fear that might end with not much :S
19:45:07 <popey> we could organise ourselves and get the whole loco to make a lot of them?
19:45:07 <andy101> popey: which list was that on?
19:45:21 <popey> andy101: ubuntu-marketing
19:45:23 <Daviey> marketing
19:45:24 <popey> !marketing
19:45:24 <ubot5> Factoid 'marketing' not found
19:45:27 <popey> bah
19:45:38 <MooDoo> any one remember the small vids people made?  "hi my name is xxxx and i pronouce ubuntu - UBUNTU"?
19:45:50 <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2008-December/thread.html
19:45:51 <Daviey> yeah
19:45:57 <popey> yeah, its like that MooDoo
19:46:15 <popey> but they want "My name is foo and I do X with Ubuntu" or "My name is foo and I am Ubuntu"
19:46:23 <popey> the whole I am Ubuntu is a bit ropey IMO
19:46:27 <Daviey> okay, will kick a thread off on the LoCo list
19:46:43 <MooDoo> sounds to much like the I'm a pc and i don't wear a shirt vids :)
19:46:57 <popey> exactly MooDoo
19:47:08 <Daviey> i would further propose that we have an extra ordianry meeting in say 1.5 weeks away to realy get cracking on the video stuff.
19:47:18 <popey> yeah, a follow up to the list
19:47:30 <popey> The Alans are working on something too
19:47:33 <popey> "Don't Tell Bill"
19:47:39 <Daviey> you damn Alan's
19:47:42 <popey> might be worth talking to them too
19:47:53 <Daviey> AlanBell1: oi
19:48:01 <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: poke
19:48:38 <Daviey> ah well, we'll get this moving on the list and have a dedicated meeting to direction of this in a week or 2.
19:48:46 <MooDoo> :)
19:48:54 <Daviey> Anyone else have anything to add to this part?
19:49:04 <vixey> hi
19:49:08 <sheepeatingtaz> Can I add a belated PRESENT?
19:49:15 <Laney> is it for me?
19:49:22 * Laney shakes the box
19:49:27 <Daviey> heh
19:49:29 <sheepeatingtaz> Laney: please
19:49:33 <sheepeatingtaz> :)
19:49:44 <popey> so thats one thing for the year ahead.. what else can we do?
19:49:49 <Daviey> Okay, other things I have been thinking about for 2009.
19:49:55 <MooDoo> what about expos?  lrl09?
19:50:04 <Daviey> Camping + BBQ and hackfest in a field.
19:50:14 <Daviey> support?
19:50:24 <brobostigon> Daviey: interesting idea.
19:50:30 <Daviey> schwuk and I are certainly on board. :)
19:50:42 <Daviey> excite anybody else?
19:50:45 <franki^> will there be intarwebs? :)
19:50:47 <gord> pfft, theres no wifi in a field
19:50:47 <Ging> yes
19:50:47 <popey> yeah, I'd be up for that
19:50:48 <daubers> +1
19:50:52 <Ging> will there be girls?
19:50:54 <Daviey> gord: 3g :)
19:50:54 <brobostigon> Daviey: it depends on where it is going to be for me, but i spupport said idea.
19:50:56 <popey> pubs have wifi
19:51:11 <gord> if there were wifi in fields, cows would never get any work done
19:51:18 <franki^> :D
19:51:20 <WastePotato> o_O
19:51:23 <kalessin1> cows work?
19:51:28 <popey> too busy looking at hotudders.com
19:51:30 <Daviey> gord: one reason i suggested camping, it's easy for multiple smeely geeks to be one location, rather than hotels etc
19:51:32 <MooDoo> any local beer festivals?
19:51:38 <andy101> that's why we don't give cows laptops
19:52:02 <popey> the problem with beer festivals is that it becomes a social-only thing really
19:52:07 <popey> not a hackfest
19:52:07 <brobostigon> MooDoo: banury beer festival
19:52:18 <brobostigon> banbury*
19:52:31 <popey> and it excludes those who dont drink or cant drink
19:52:33 <popey> camping doesnt
19:52:39 <Daviey> Well it can be either, for me, it's just nice to have a real life meeting weekend - and hackfest seems constructive
19:52:47 <Daviey> but there should be a decent supply of beer :)
19:52:47 <brobostigon> true popey , so totally unfair on that front
19:52:54 <popey> not totally brobostigon
19:52:56 <andy101> what's a "hackfest" btw?
19:53:08 <popey> andy101: people sit around with computers and do "stuff"
19:53:14 <Daviey> andy101: bug work, fixing , reporting
19:53:19 <Daviey> packaging, and lessons
19:53:19 <andy101> thanks
19:53:33 <MooDoo> tutorials would be a good one.
19:53:54 <gord> first time we get anything done here and we netsplit...
19:53:55 <webpigeon> netsplit in the meeting :(
19:54:02 <franki^> heh :|
19:54:02 <MooDoo> *sigh*
18:03:01 * sigh* 
19:54:16 <WastePotato> Dammit.
19:54:18 <WastePotato> Let's wait.
19:54:28 <brobostigon> Daviey: i am going to suggest, i wil find somewhere near me, so if this does go forward,i will find a place.
19:54:28 <gord> we are supposed to point and laugh
19:54:29 <MooDoo> can't do anything else :)
19:54:36 <webpigeon> i've never seen the channel so empty :P
19:54:41 <MooDoo> brobostigon: but where are you?
19:55:04 <gord> y'know where is a great place to camp? the creepy moors where all those teenagers got murdered
19:55:08 <brobostigon> MooDoo: south midlands
19:55:16 <webpigeon> hazar!
19:55:25 <franki^> hmm, ubuntu-related tutorials in a field sounds great to me :)
19:55:30 <brobostigon> north oxfordshire
19:55:30 <MooDoo> :)
19:55:31 <Ging> how do you know we're not the splitting slackers?
19:55:31 <popey> i suspect power would be more of an issue than connectivity
19:55:31 <daubers> Someone must have a generator
19:55:32 <Daviey> Okay, this is obviously in the early stages of thought
19:55:34 <Daviey> but i was thinking, Summer(ry) and a 'fair' location
19:55:34 * popey returns
19:55:34 <Ging> maybe you could make it happen at a lan party
19:55:34 <Daviey> so not in the Sunny south :(
19:55:35 <popey> daubers: we could hire one :)
19:55:35 <andy101> the south is NOT sunny!
19:55:35 <DJones> A lot of caravan/camp sites have electric points some also have wifi access
19:55:55 <andy101> somewhere with decent transport links (motorways, trains etc.)
19:55:59 <gord> anywhere more north than london is nice for me, my heart always sighs when people get together in london, just a tad too far/spensive to
19:56:00 <Daviey> Yeah, we'll hammer location out further in the future
19:56:03 <popey> lets not get bogged down in the location argument
19:56:08 <Daviey> I more wanted to gauge excitment about it
19:56:14 <popey> it never ends and never keeps everyone happy
19:56:22 * MooDoo shows his excitement :)
19:56:23 <daubers> Could always do lightning talks in a field kinda thing
19:56:29 <Daviey> exactly!
19:56:33 <popey> yeah
19:56:37 <Daviey> Okay, shall we move on?
19:56:40 <sheepeatingtaz> I think it's a great idea, but won't be going. Maybe make it an annual thing?
19:56:44 <daubers> "I'm a cow and I use Ubuntu"
19:56:49 <popey> Daviey: is that another mailing list thread? :)
19:56:54 <kalessin1> daubers: oh, dear
19:56:59 <brobostigon> Daviey: ok great idea, i support it, but locatin is sensitive for me,
19:57:04 <technolalia> Surely cows use moobuntu?
19:57:04 <gord> dress a scarecrow up like mark shuttleworth
19:57:06 <Daviey> popey: i guess :(
19:57:10 <Daviey> gord: hah
19:57:15 <Daviey> james_w: better late than never
19:57:19 * ProfFalken is up for that, re-wifi  in a field: psand.net have a large truck powered by a few bicycles that we could probably get hold of (see
19:57:20 <james_w> hello everyone
19:57:37 <Daviey> okay, shall we move on?
19:57:40 <MooDoo> aye
19:57:49 <Daviey> Did anyone else have any ideas for 2009?
19:57:49 <technolalia> is this the moment to mention the bug jam?
19:57:56 <popey> technolalia: its on the agenda
19:58:15 <ProfFalken> Daviey: SoftwareFreedomDay or similar?
19:58:25 <webpigeon> Is it just me or si the wiki page a bit outdated?
19:58:40 <webpigeon> s/si/is
19:58:40 <popey> we already do something for software freedom day
19:58:40 <popey> webpigeon: which wiki page?
19:58:40 <Daviey> ProfFalken: ah, that one is always troublesome for a LoCo - being our stretched outness (sp?)
19:58:44 <gord> feel free to fix it up webpigeon, its a wiki
19:58:45 <webpigeon> popey, ubuntu-uk
19:59:00 <Daviey> personally, id like to see people helping a LUG Software Freedom Day
19:59:00 <popey> webpigeon: it _is_ a wiki! :)
19:59:03 <webpigeon> i never know what to put on it, hence why i dont :)
19:59:07 <Daviey> perhaps i'm being shortsighted?
19:59:10 <ProfFalken> Daviey: fiar enough, however it Ubuntu-UK teamed up with regional LUGs...
19:59:11 <popey> Daviey: we have done something for the last two years!
19:59:19 <Daviey> popey: as a LoCo?
19:59:22 <popey> yes
19:59:34 <Daviey> I thought that was more HantsLUG? :)
19:59:39 <ProfFalken> lol
19:59:44 <popey> bracknell isnt in hants :p
19:59:56 <Daviey> heh
19:59:58 <popey> Alan Cocks does it on behalf of Ubuntu UK LoCo
20:00:20 <popey> we certainly promote it around the lugs in the area
20:00:25 * Daviey did not know this.  But in any sense i wouldn't exactly call Bracknell a national effort :)
20:00:31 <MooDoo> ooo t-shirts, stickers [sorry got carried away]
20:00:37 <popey> but he's the only person (I'm aware of) within the LoCo who did anything
20:00:46 <popey> Daviey: feel free to volunteer to do something next year then
20:00:53 <popey> he's the only person who got off his arse and did something
20:01:12 <Daviey> well this is what i'm saying, is it something the LoCo should be doing, or supporting the LoCo members to help do a LUG one?
20:01:26 <popey> I guess both are appropriate.
20:01:36 <popey> other locos do it
20:01:41 <`Chris> PRESENT - Or am I too late?
20:01:43 <popey> and other lugs do it
20:01:45 <sheepeatingtaz> I for one would feel more inclined to help a loco one
20:01:57 <Ging> `Chris, i thought you were boycotting
20:02:13 * ProfFalken would look to ubuntu-uk for literature etc to support a regional effort (a number of LUGs/other interested parties)
20:02:18 <Daviey> However, our LoCo has a larger geographical spread than some of the US (example) LoCo's making it more difficult
20:02:34 <popey> i dont think we can use that as a reason not to do stuff
20:02:39 <sheepeatingtaz> Daviey: maybe more difficult to get together
20:02:45 <Daviey> no, i'm not saying that
20:02:47 <popey> we are nowhere near as large as many other countries
20:02:47 <sheepeatingtaz> but not to do *something*
20:02:49 <popey> france?
20:03:03 <ProfFalken> Daviey: if we could put together a "resource pack" for other groups to use on SFD should they wish, then I think that would be a
20:03:09 <Daviey> What i am saying is better support LoCo members to do a LUG  /regional one
20:03:20 <Ging> they have much better trains than us in france
20:03:21 <popey> as opposed to a national event?
20:03:25 <Daviey> ie, more local LUG members than spread out LoCo members
20:03:30 <Daviey> Well hwo can it be national?
20:03:40 <gord> i don't really get the point of this, its not like anyone is saying that the loco is barred from doing anything. if people from the loco
20:03:51 <popey> indeed
20:04:00 <Daviey> I would suggest we provide better literature and CD's (maybe) to LoCo members for regional SFD's
20:04:06 <popey> just because something happens in bracknell, doesn't stop it being a national event
20:04:23 <ProfFalken> resource pack could include CDs, Flyers, Stickers etc that are Ubuntu-UK orientated but underpin SFD's principles
20:04:31 <Daviey> ^ +1
20:04:34 <gLAsgowMonkey> Daviey I don't think we have a clear contact for requesting this
20:04:46 <popey> requesting what?
20:04:54 <gord> yeah it would be great if we could set up some sort of pack that (pdfs, that kinda thing) that people could use, offical ubuntu-uk software
20:04:55 <gLAsgowMonkey> media, stickers
20:05:06 <popey> gLAsgowMonkey: i thought ProfFalken was propsing we create it
20:05:15 * Daviey also
20:05:43 <gLAsgowMonkey> popey: yes but a pack but at present there is no clear contact for "stuff"
20:05:51 <Daviey> we have no "stuff" :)
20:05:59 <gLAsgowMonkey> so having a pack is not much use unless requests are funnelled
20:06:00 <MooDoo> and Daviey is the poc :)
20:06:00 <ProfFalken> popey: correct (although I'm sure someone could poke Jono and see what he can provide?)
20:06:05 <Daviey> CD's sure, but adhoc from shipit is often easier
20:06:13 <popey> we can get conference packs from canonical
20:06:20 <popey> i have done for Alan when he runs the SFD in Bracknell
20:06:33 <popey> providing t-shirts, caps, CDs, stickers
20:06:42 <popey> we could improve / add-to that
20:06:46 <gord> we don't need to provide CD's or really anything else generic. we need to provide UK specific stuff surely? people can get the other stuff
20:07:03 <Daviey> I was about to say, you don't get enough - so we should look at making ther eown
20:07:08 * Daviey points towards the French LoCo's mugs
20:07:08 <popey> we can get the CDs gord that's not a problem, and Alan Cocks has created some leaflets
20:07:18 <Daviey> However, then we get down the £££ disucssion
20:07:44 * ProfFalken wonders if the material already exists on various people's HDDs and just needs collating...
20:07:44 <gLAsgowMonkey> so we get any help from canonical
20:07:54 <popey> gLAsgowMonkey: we do get some yes
20:07:56 <gLAsgowMonkey> I mean marketing and promotion
20:08:15 <Daviey> gLAsgowMonkey: Not as much as would be required
20:08:45 <Daviey> So the LoCo marketting department should be repushed :)
20:08:46 <gLAsgowMonkey> I understand it's a finite resource
20:09:11 <Daviey> okay, can we try and bring this point to a head?
20:09:12 <popey> what if we tied the bbq/hackfest up with something like SFD, rather than have multiple events through the year with low turnout, throw all
20:09:18 <gLAsgowMonkey> Daviey: I think so, but in turn we *may* need some help
20:09:20 <ProfFalken> popey: :o)
20:09:23 <popey> given SFD is on a saturday
20:09:39 <brobostigon> popey: good idea
20:09:41 <MooDoo> why not just make it a bring a bottle, burger and distro day :)
20:09:42 <Daviey> popey: that is certainlly an idea
20:09:47 <Ging> what is SFD ?
20:09:50 <gord> careful, we might end up with egg on our faces... actually i agree but puns are fun.
20:09:53 <Daviey> software freedom day
20:09:55 <ProfFalken> MooDoo: lol, sounds great
20:09:57 <webpigeon> Ging, http://softwarefreedomday.org/
20:10:07 <daubers> Uhhh... is being in a field in september a good idea?
20:10:15 <daubers> it has a tendency to be fairly damp
20:10:16 <Daviey> okay, this point needs further discussion - and a thread would be excellant
20:10:17 <kalessin1> duabers: good point
20:10:22 <Daviey> popey: can you do that one?
20:10:26 <popey> yes
20:10:36 <Daviey> cool, lets move on
20:10:44 <Daviey> anything else for 2009 direction?
20:10:49 <popey> more contribution!
20:10:58 <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IdeasPool
20:11:00 <popey> we need to be more active at doing bugs / launchpad answers / forums etc
20:11:02 <daubers> popey: Wasn't there some event happening in Farnborough?
20:11:13 <popey> daubers: yeah, not heard back yet, supposed to be early august
20:11:25 <daubers> ok
20:11:34 <Daviey> The UK is doing "pretty" well for 5-a-day
20:11:59 <Daviey> With the current stats, i can't see a reason the UK couldn't be #1 for a team effort
20:11:59 <MooDoo> Daviey: is there a select few or is it all across the board?
20:11:59 <popey> only as individuals
20:12:02 * sheepeatingtaz needs to read up on 5 a day
20:12:05 <popey> there is no concerted effort
20:12:17 <popey> we dont pimp is on the list
20:12:19 <Daviey> txwikinger is doing really well IIRC
20:12:21 <popey> we dont pimp the stats for example
20:12:22 <Daviey> and james_w
20:12:34 <popey> i was thinking more of non-canonical people :)
20:12:34 <Laney> I never submit to it ¬_¬
20:12:36 * Laney is naughty
20:12:38 <daubers> How long does the 5-a day take? half an hour?
20:12:39 <txwikinger> o/ Daviey
20:13:07 <Daviey> daubers: i'm not the best person to ask tbh - my 5-a-day isn't quite 5-a-day :)
20:13:15 <gord> I do the answer tracker when i can, but that doesn't get as much kudos, it can also use peoples support
20:13:16 <Daviey> txwikinger: \o
20:13:18 * ProfFalken is going self-employed this month and hopes to be able to add to launchpad soon...
20:14:01 <Daviey> How can the LoCo try and get people more into 5-a-day and LP answers?
20:14:02 <popey> so basically I'd like to see us have a co-ordinated effort towards contribution in our team
20:14:02 <webpigeon> "We are currently planning our presence at LugRadioLive2008." -.-
20:14:12 <popey> webpigeon: edit it
20:14:22 <webpigeon> popey, I will do :P
20:14:31 <james_w> we could run some sessions on how to get started with 5-a-day, answers, etc.
20:14:39 <Daviey> james_w: online or RL?
20:14:52 <popey> that leads nicely onto the subject of bug jam really?
20:14:55 <james_w> Daviey: either would work, but I was thinking online
20:14:57 <ProfFalken> Daviey: either - I really don't know where to start... :o(
20:15:00 <james_w> we can do RL ones at the bug jam
20:15:06 <gLAsgowMonkey> we could tie that in with a "how to file a bug report" and related topics
20:15:07 <Daviey> woot!
20:15:23 <Daviey> Shall we move onto the topic of "Bug Jam"?
20:15:24 <gord> How can you have a co-ordinated effort? I mean maybe we could have a bot use the LP api to print out the highest rollers on 5aday and such
20:15:52 <james_w> the classroom team would certainly appreciate any sessions we can run
20:15:58 <popey> gord: talking about it helps
20:16:24 <Daviey> agreed.
20:16:44 <popey> Daviey: we could do a talk at the LUG about it?
20:16:45 <Daviey> The global bug jam is soon, and that could be something we do - lessons in RL?
20:17:21 <popey> As I said on the mailing list I'd be happy to host a Bug Jam event here at my place
20:17:32 <technolalia> popey: where is your place?
20:17:34 <james_w> for the bug jam we could start off with an overview, and then "mentor" people as needed through the rest of the event
20:17:39 <popey> farnborough, hampshire
20:17:39 <Daviey> popey: Sure, i'm always twitchy about Ubuntu specific stuff asking for extra effort at a LUG.  The other disto'ers don't like it for some
20:17:45 <Daviey> But certainly a good idea
20:17:52 <popey> yeah, bar stewards
20:18:00 <popey> james_w: agreed
20:18:01 <`Chris> Daviey: I would love to participate in the bugjam, I've been trying to work out how to use the 5aday thing from D. Holbach. I'm kinda
20:18:20 <james_w> I could probably get a venue in Bristol for the bug jam
20:18:23 <Daviey> `Chris: well what we are currently thinking both Online and somewhere rea life
20:18:24 <popey> I was thinking that at the bug jam we could have groups of people, some doing bugs, some doing launchpad answers, others learning..
20:18:34 <james_w> popey: good idea
20:18:34 <Daviey> popey has offered his gaff as a host
20:18:45 <ProfFalken> james_w: +1 for bristol, I'm in Monmouth
20:18:50 <popey> we should put a page up about venues
20:18:53 <Daviey> james_w: what sort of venue are you thinking?
20:18:59 <popey> how many people they can take, facilities etc
20:19:09 * `Chris is located in S. Wales, nothing over 100miles preferably :)
20:19:16 <technolalia> I could contact the University of Westminster, as used by GLLUG
20:19:21 <Daviey> we could certainly have >1 venue- but it would be a shame to split the experts too much - especailly two in southern england
20:19:24 <popey> that would be cool technolalia
20:19:31 <popey> Daviey: i disagree
20:19:33 <`Chris> How far away (in time) is the bugjam?
20:19:38 <popey> i think we _should_ split the experts up
20:19:44 <popey> divide and conquer
20:19:49 <Daviey> popey: two venues in southern england?
20:19:52 <andylockran> howdy
20:19:56 <james_w> Daviey: there's a couple of caffs, but you obviously have to keep buying things. There's an independenct cinema, the center used my
20:19:57 * Daviey considers Bristol and Farn' quite close together
20:20:12 <james_w> Daviey: I've not done much research, but there must be somewhere.
20:20:14 <Daviey> andylockran: o/
20:20:30 <james_w> I'm more than happy to go to popey's, I just wanted to provide him with an alternative.
20:20:31 <popey> how about we ask people to go forth and find locations - promptly
20:20:31 * sheepeatingtaz would offer his house, but a) it's small, and b) it's in the north :)
20:20:37 * andylockran is just catching up on your conversation..
20:20:43 <Laney> The London one sounds like the best option to me
20:20:52 <popey> and come back in 1-2 weekas
20:20:52 <ProfFalken> Daviey: ??? Bristol is 45 minutes from my house, farnborough is 2.5 hrs...
20:21:06 <Daviey> okay, james_w can you hit the mailing list - asking for people to find location and add them to the wiki?
20:21:13 <popey> lets not start getting into location arguments :)
20:21:17 <james_w> Daviey: yes sir!
20:21:21 <popey> lets just all start finding decent places and pitch them :)
20:21:23 <ProfFalken> james_w: st. werbs would be good...
20:21:42 <`Chris> I have a few decent places around S. Wales thanks to the SWLUG but no-one is from around here, is there?
20:21:48 <kalessin1> ProfFalken: I second that
20:21:51 <popey> yeah, a wiki page detailing the basics of a location would be good
20:21:59 <brobostigon> good idea popey
20:22:01 <ProfFalken> `Chris: I'm in Monmouth...
20:22:09 <Daviey> ---> moving on
20:22:11 <ProfFalken> but SWLUG covers a fscking huge area...
20:22:12 <gLAsgowMonkey> can we move on please
20:22:26 <technolalia> Chris: I have family in Swansea
20:22:35 <Daviey> okay, we also need to gauage attendance at A or multiple venus
20:22:52 <Daviey> we'll do this in a future meeting + mailing list + wiki (or similar page)
20:22:57 <brobostigon> or even alternative venues
20:23:02 <popey> yeah, it might actually make sense to have multiple (even in the south) as some people are not willing to travel far or have low budgets
20:23:08 <popey> when is the bug jam?
20:23:17 <popey> its not long
20:23:23 <james_w> end of Feb
20:23:27 <james_w> 20thish
20:23:32 <Daviey> sure, we'll need to do this "at large" - wiki showing locations and possible attendance of names
20:23:33 <popey> thats not long at all
20:23:42 <Daviey> but we can't do that directly in this meeting
20:23:45 <popey> I'd say we need to discuss this weekly as it's so soon
20:23:47 <Daviey> err does it clash with FOSDEM?
20:23:50 <popey> no
20:23:54 <popey> thats at the start of feb
20:24:01 <popey> 7/8
20:24:06 <Daviey> cool
20:24:22 <webpigeon> Do we know where everyone is?
20:24:25 <Daviey> Okay, i think we already have enough content for a meeting next week!
20:24:38 <popey> i think we should!
20:24:45 <brobostigon> yep
20:24:52 <Daviey> i think we should hit this topic on the mailing list, a formulate an attack plan next week
20:24:53 <popey> get this stuff all tidied up
20:25:29 <Daviey> But Bug Jam looks like it will happend, and sounds like it'll be successful!
20:25:32 <Daviey> (woot)
20:25:39 <Daviey> happen*
20:25:46 <popey> yay
20:25:54 <Daviey> okay, move on?
20:25:57 <popey> yeah
20:26:02 <`Chris> Last question!
20:26:07 <`Chris> Venues - We bring own laptops yeah?
20:26:08 <Daviey> `Chris: go
20:26:15 <Daviey> hell yeah :)
20:26:19 <`Chris> ok cool
20:26:31 <Daviey> Laney: next topic?
20:26:34 <popey> unless people have spare/extra ones
20:26:43 <Laney> MooDoo: Are you here?
20:26:46 * popey pokes MooDoo
20:26:53 <MooDoo> PRESENT :)
20:27:03 <Laney> [topic] Free Media - MooDoo
20:27:04 <MootBot> New Topic:  Free Media - MooDoo
20:27:06 <Laney> take it away
20:27:32 <MooDoo> ok my idea is a simple one, create a group of individuals who would at a request ship ubuntu media -
20:27:42 <MooDoo> our own volunteer version of shipit :)
20:28:14 <Daviey> MooDoo: would it offer more than shipit?
20:28:29 <`Chris> Daviey: I assume faster delivery times is a bonus
20:28:36 <brobostigon> MooDoo: do you envision small amounts, or the large amounts lugs and those kind of people would need?
20:28:42 <MooDoo> Daviey: depends on the individual, as cost would be a factor
20:29:06 <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm really thinking low volume, as it's voluteer based.
20:29:16 <sheepeatingtaz> I can't see that there would be a huge demand
20:29:19 <Daviey> Sounds like a worthy idea
20:29:20 <popey> worth noting that the loco team leader can order a large number of CDs, and could distribute them somehow
20:29:24 <brobostigon> so 5 or less?
20:29:30 <gord> I'm not sure how much need there is for this, its not like the mailing list is full of people requesting cd's or anything and surely if
20:29:44 <popey> I suspect it's more useful for people outside the UK
20:30:01 <sheepeatingtaz> In which case, probably won't be much quicker than shipit?
20:30:07 <MooDoo> brobostigon: depends on the person, how much they want to spend on cd's and postag,
20:30:09 <popey> we (loco council) have already been asked if it's possible for other LoCos to send them (in Africa) some CDs or a hard disk containing a
20:30:31 <brobostigon> MooDoo: and ofcourse a donation if its a larger amount?
20:30:31 * ProfFalken used shippit a while back.  it took nearly six weeks for the CDs to arrive...
20:30:33 <MooDoo> sheepeatingtaz: shipit sends next day?
20:30:38 <popey> someone asked me on irc a while ago where they could get some CDs and I posted some to them
20:30:52 <MooDoo> popey: that's exactly what i'm on about.
20:31:00 <MooDoo> a form on the wiki for instance
20:31:06 <popey> i just put them in a jiffy bag and posted them - didnt cost much
20:31:07 <sheepeatingtaz> MooDoo: not sure, last time I ordered from shipit, I got within a week or so
20:31:14 <MooDoo> the details would be sorted later.
20:31:15 <popey> sheepeatingtaz: thats rare
20:31:27 <kalessin1> one problem
20:31:30 <sheepeatingtaz> popey: last time, good couple of years ago...
20:31:40 <MooDoo> kalessin1: go :)
20:31:41 <gLAsgowMonkey> would it be possible to shit some boxes of branded cd's to these volunteers
20:31:44 <popey> maybe we could improve the system we have already?
20:31:49 <popey> I have 100 or so CDs here
20:31:56 <kalessin1> anyone looking for media would probably find shipit long before this
20:31:59 <Daviey> gLAsgowMonkey: i guess you mean ship* :)
20:32:03 <ProfFalken> gLAsgowMonkey: may I suggest s/shit/shift ?
20:32:05 <ProfFalken> :oP
20:32:06 <gLAsgowMonkey> haha
20:32:09 <MooDoo> kalessin1: it's in addition not a replacement
20:32:21 <gLAsgowMonkey> it's the aspire keyboard honest
20:32:24 <gord> there are resellers that will send you ubuntu cd's for like a pound as well, quickly
20:32:41 <MooDoo> gord: i'd do it free if it got ubuntu out there.
20:32:47 <ProfFalken> does anyone know where ship-it is based location wise? is there a ship-it depot in the UK?
20:32:55 <popey> holland
20:33:11 <Daviey> Something that could be a concern - what if demand for this is huge, and we can't keep up at all?
20:33:23 <gord> its not the cost that i'm going on about, im just not sure if there is a need
20:33:24 <MooDoo> Daviey: disclaimers
20:33:44 <popey> it comes on the cover of linux format regularly
20:33:51 <ProfFalken> ok, so is it worth talking to canonical and see if there can be a few volunteers in the UK that hold a stock of CDs and post out
20:33:53 <MooDoo> it's only volunteer based, i'd have no problem posting a cd to someone free if they requested it
20:33:56 <`Chris> gord: I often need to use shipit, since my internet is rather slow and my burner is messed up to say the least
20:34:08 <popey> ProfFalken: i do have some stock
20:34:17 <popey> this is what I've been saying for the last 10 mins :)
20:34:24 <popey> the loco team leader gets to order in bulk
20:34:30 * Daviey has an amount, not sure how many
20:34:36 <popey> I ordered and got some intrepid CDs very soon after release
20:34:41 <popey> I received about 350 of them
20:34:48 <brobostigon> wow
20:35:14 <popey> some have gone to events, others I have posted out, others I have given to people running events (like Alan Cocks at SFD)
20:35:14 <MooDoo> well there is a wiki page on the idea, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IdeasPool/Free_Media :)
20:35:26 <andylockran> other thing is whether should send the LTS releases, or any release ?
20:35:40 <Daviey> LTS or latest IMO
20:35:48 <brobostigon> andylockran: u would be happier with just LTS
20:35:52 <MooDoo> andylockran: you would as a volunteer let people know what you're willing to send out....you may have all versions
20:35:53 <brobostigon> i *
20:35:55 * franki^ loves LTS <3
20:36:07 <popey> i still have some LTS ones that have the ssh vuln on!
20:36:09 <`Chris> Same as Daviey however, there are some who would need LTS since they just want a stable distro without the need for major updating
20:36:10 <popey> nobody wants them
20:36:11 * ProfFalken proposes that we use the LoCo POC to order the CDs for a number of volunteers that then send them out to those that request them
20:36:24 * ProfFalken uses latest for desktop, LTS for server...
20:36:25 <popey> ProfFalken: who pays?
20:36:28 <Daviey> haha
20:36:37 <popey> I will happy post out the ones I have
20:36:40 <Daviey> ProfFalken: I won't be able to post multiple cd's per day :(
20:36:42 <popey> in batches of 5 for example
20:36:57 <MooDoo> i will happily pay for a box of cd's every few months for ubuntu cd's for requests.
20:37:04 <popey> i doubt you'd get that many requests Daviey
20:37:04 <`Chris> 5 is a moderate number but can be changed depending on the demand?
20:37:06 * ProfFalken realises that his proposal might not be such a good idea after all...
20:37:32 <popey> multiples of 5 keeps it easy, 5 keeps it cheap
20:37:41 <popey> you can post them in a "large letter" envelope
20:37:41 <Daviey> popey: This will be turning it from a LoCo team effort which MooDoo is suggesting, to the PoC / Leaders responsibility
20:37:43 <popey> for low cost
20:37:49 <popey> not entirely Daviey
20:38:00 <MooDoo> i'm thinking that someone emails a form, the form details get posted to a page and a volunteer see it and makes it as "i'll send that"
20:38:06 <popey> if you got 350 from canonical, and then give them out in batches of 50, then they gave them out in batches of 10 etc
20:38:17 <popey> then it's only a little initial work for you
20:38:20 <Daviey> ahh, this isn't what ProfFalken suggested :)
20:38:28 <popey> oh yeah
20:38:33 <`Chris> Ideas can evolve :)
20:38:34 <popey> but you would only do it right when they arrive
20:38:51 <Daviey> sounds promising
20:38:52 <popey> thats 7 parcels once every 6 months
20:38:54 <popey> maybe twice
20:38:56 <popey> no more
20:39:12 <popey> I would happily kick the ball off by packaging up the ones I have
20:39:19 <Daviey> however, is it any more benefical than the volunteer ordering 10 fromshipit and just holding them for requests?
20:39:19 <popey> and sending them to 2 or 3 people to then pass out
20:39:34 <popey> that I am unsure of
20:39:39 <popey> but you get them faster than anyone else
20:39:41 <MooDoo> Daviey: i've only been able to order 1 at a time
20:39:48 <popey> I got intrepid CDs _real_ quick after release
20:39:49 <Daviey> oh
20:39:58 <`Chris> With shipit, you need to order 1 at a time, unless you want delays and having to explain yourself to Canonical
20:40:09 * Daviey glares at jono :)
20:40:12 <popey> date on the box is 4/11/08
20:40:16 <popey> when did intrepid release?
20:40:18 <popey> 25/10?
20:40:24 <jono> hey Daviey :)
20:40:26 <Daviey> yeah that is quick
20:40:34 <popey> he's had his coffee
20:40:38 <jono> hehe
20:40:42 <jono> hows thing chaps?
20:40:44 <jono> things
20:40:44 <Daviey> jono: didn't expect you to be here
20:40:54 <jono> Daviey, :)
20:40:56 <Daviey> jono: just having a LoCo meeting
20:40:57 <jono> just working
20:41:00 <jono> oh nice :)
20:41:16 <popey> i would say I've got about 100 or so CDs left
20:41:24 <Daviey> talking about direction, bug jam and helping shipit from a volunteer idea
20:41:27 <Daviey> jono: ^
20:41:28 <popey> mostly desktop, some server some kubuntu
20:41:42 * Daviey has far too many server ones
20:42:02 <jono> Daviey, cool :)
20:42:20 <popey> shame they dont make the 64-bit desktop ones any more :(
20:42:25 <Daviey> okay, do people think this will really help Ubuntu 'get out there'?
20:42:26 <MooDoo> i would like a box of 100 desktop cd's then when someone wants a copy from a form [or similar] on the ubuntu-uk site, can post it to
20:42:27 <popey> seems shortsighted to me
20:42:47 <gord> you really think you'll get though 100 cd's in 6 months?
20:42:53 <popey> yes gord
20:42:58 <popey> i get throughj 300 or so
20:43:04 <popey> events as well as postage
20:43:10 <MooDoo> gord: not the point, the point is that i can send a cd when someone wants them
20:43:22 <MooDoo> how many i have left is irrelevant
20:43:31 <popey> its a potential waste
20:43:44 <Nafallo> I bought 1GB usb sticks from the Canonical store and put intrepid on them... given one to my flatmate already :-)
20:43:46 <`Chris> Humanity to others I guess does include environmental effects too?
20:43:48 <popey> as are the ones sat on the floor next to me if nobody orders them by april
20:43:48 <Daviey> ofc, we have to justify using them efficently
20:44:03 <gord> y'know you can get 4gb usb sticks from the canonical store with ubuntu pre-loaded onto them Nafallo
20:44:16 <`Chris> Nafallo: Only £2 extra
20:44:31 <Nafallo> gord: doesn't look as good and neat IMO :-)
20:44:38 <Daviey> okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, who would volunteer to do this?
20:44:45 <Daviey> MooDoo
20:44:55 <Nafallo> also, the 1GB ones are on special pricing at the moment ;-)
20:45:05 <MooDoo> :)
20:45:07 <Daviey> Nafallo: (topic)
20:45:09 <brobostigon> popey: well any fairly recent cds, that nobody wants anymore, i am happy to take of anyoes hands, and try to distribute and market.
20:45:20 <popey> ok
20:45:21 <popey> tell you what
20:45:30 <popey> I'll mail the list and let people know how many I have left
20:45:31 <Daviey> chaps... can we close this topic first?
20:45:35 <popey> i am
20:45:44 <popey> trying to :)
20:45:49 <popey> and we will see what the demand is?
20:45:53 <brobostigon> ok popey :) good idea
20:45:54 <Daviey> oh, very trying as ever popey :)
20:45:59 <popey> I will post them out in batches of 5/10 or whatever
20:46:16 <popey> and if there is sufficient demand than kick MooDoo into action and Daviey can order another box and jono can okay it :)
20:46:31 <Daviey> sounds suitable to me :)
20:46:32 <popey> Epic \/\/in
20:46:35 <Daviey> can we all go home now?
20:46:37 <Daviey> :)
20:46:55 <daubers> Daviey: Don't we need an aob?
20:46:56 <popey> MooDoo: sound fair?
20:47:09 <Daviey> daubers: yep, and plan next meeting
20:47:12 <MooDoo> popey: +1 :)
20:47:16 <popey> and action points from this one :)
20:47:28 <brobostigon> :)
20:47:44 <popey> i propose the next meeting for Wednesday 15th Jan @ 19:30
20:47:48 <Daviey> okay, topic shift - Laney :)
20:47:58 <Laney> that's it
20:48:01 <Daviey> erm
20:48:01 <Laney> [topic] AOB
20:48:02 <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
20:48:21 <webpigeon> AOB?
20:48:23 <Daviey> nothing from me :)
20:48:26 <andylockran> Any Other Business
20:48:27 <Daviey> Any other Biz
20:48:33 <webpigeon> ah :)
20:48:38 <gLAsgowMonkey> AOCB
20:48:38 <technolalia> fosdem: who's going?
20:48:48 <popey> o/ possibly
20:48:49 <Daviey> most likely  o/
20:48:56 <technolalia> definately - all booked
20:49:06 <Daviey> technolalia: eurotunnel?
20:49:08 <technolalia> there will be an ubuntu stall of some sort there, I've heard
20:49:08 <franki^> what is fosdem? :)
20:49:15 <popey> http://fosdem.org/
20:49:16 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://fosdem.org/
20:49:16 <Daviey> technolalia: there normally is
20:49:18 <popey> conference brussels
20:49:26 <james_w> o/
20:49:30 <technolalia> and various people from other loco teams are planning to attend
20:49:44 <technolalia> yes, eurotunnel
20:50:06 <Daviey> good -o
20:50:13 <Daviey> any other AOB?
20:50:27 <MooDoo> sorry chaps, got to go, baby calling......
20:50:33 <Daviey> great, Laney topic shift - next meeting
20:50:34 <Laney> going, going
20:50:36 <popey> can i ask that whoever puts the info on the wiki - can then outline the action items?
20:50:39 <Laney> [topic] next meeting
20:50:40 <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
20:50:45 <popey> so we know exactly whats happening?
20:50:54 <popey> 20:47:44 < popey> i propose the next meeting for Wednesday 15th Jan @ 19:30
20:51:00 <Daviey> popey: sounds like the chair'sjob :)
20:51:10 * popey nudges Laney :)
20:51:12 <`Chris> By the next meeting, find Bugjam venues?
20:51:13 <Laney> rofl
20:51:22 <`Chris> Especially find out about Wifi access? D:
20:51:33 <Laney> yes, that sounds like a fine date
20:51:39 <ProfFalken> popey: Weds 14th or Thurs 15th? ;o)
20:51:46 <Daviey> i might suggest next Sunday might be long enough for the mailing list threads to get moving
20:51:49 <brobostigon> i am happy with the 15th
20:51:50 <popey> stupid kde calendar
20:51:56 <popey> wednesday 14th!
20:51:59 <Laney> If people can post their threads in the next couple of days
20:52:20 <popey> ok
20:52:29 <daubers> I won't have any interwebs for the next week, but will try and attend through other means
20:52:36 <popey> next sunday is good by me too
20:52:40 <popey> quicker the better IMO
20:52:47 <gLAsgowMonkey> +1 for Sunday
20:52:50 <popey> +1
20:52:52 <Laney> one week from today?
20:52:53 <Daviey> +1 Sunday
20:52:54 <ProfFalken> +1
20:52:55 <`Chris> +1 Wednesday
20:52:55 <Daviey> yes
20:53:23 <Laney> done
20:53:25 <Daviey> okay, indifference prevails :)
20:53:27 <popey> \o/
20:53:30 <popey> wooot
20:53:31 <Laney> thanks for attending all
20:53:38 <Laney> #endmeeting