19:34:00 <Laney> #startmeeting 19:34:40 <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:34. The chair is Laney. 19:34:40 <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 19:34:42 <Daviey> Laney: the bot isn't here, we'll do without 19:34:45 <Laney> NO I'MNOT 19:34:46 <brobostigon> present 19:34:49 <webpigeon> present 19:34:53 <MooDoo> PRESENT 19:34:53 <popey> present 19:34:54 <popey> haha 19:34:55 <ProfFalken> PRESENT 19:34:55 <Daviey> gah, i was sureit was "%" 19:34:56 <slarty> present 19:34:58 <DJones> PRESENT 19:34:58 <ProfFalken> lol 19:34:59 <Ging> PRESENT 19:35:00 <Daviey> present 19:35:00 <daubers> present 19:35:02 <Laney> PRESENT 19:35:03 <gLAsgowMonkey> PRESENT 19:35:03 <andy101> present 19:35:03 <linux1> present 19:35:05 <aos101> PRESENT 19:35:09 <WastePotato> Present 19:35:12 <technolalia> present 19:35:27 <Laney> oh ffs 19:35:33 <Daviey> Okay, thanks everyone for attending 19:35:33 <WastePotato> xD 19:35:39 <brobostigon> :) 19:35:39 <Daviey> This is our first meeting of 2009 19:35:47 <Daviey> and my first meeting as Leader / PoC 19:36:01 <brobostigon> yay Daviey , good luck as leader 19:36:11 <Daviey> This meeting has a rather light agenda, but i would like us to try and help make direction 19:36:23 <Daviey> For the forthcomming year, agenda point #1 19:36:38 <popey> # Plans for the year 19:36:41 <Daviey> Laney: can you [TOPIC] Direction for 2009 19:36:47 <Laney> [TOPIC] Direction for 2009 19:36:48 <MootBot> New Topic: Direction for 2009 19:37:19 <Daviey> Firstly, we have a great attendance at this meeting - that to me is an indication of the Loco getting larger 19:37:24 <Daviey> which is brilliant news. 19:37:43 <Daviey> I would like us to discuss what "can" we do this year? 19:37:59 <Daviey> The first idea i would like to throw out in the pool, is "video" 19:38:11 <Daviey> The linux foundation compo, and such 19:38:18 <Daviey> Does anyone have any views on this? 19:38:23 <popey> yes 19:38:23 <brobostigon> i had the idea, that as i meet alot of engineers in my local, we coul start adverstising in those kinds of places aswell 19:38:38 <Daviey> popey: shoot 19:38:50 <brobostigon> forget what i said 19:38:53 <popey> there are multiple options for creating videos at the moment.. the linux foundation is one.. 19:39:03 <popey> the example content replacement is another 19:39:13 <popey> and there is a strategy on the marketing mailing list brewing 19:39:24 <popey> so there are lots of potential areas where "we" could focus 19:39:25 <brobostigon> i would support an alternative method of delivery than flash 19:39:26 <popey> my question is.. 19:39:29 <Daviey> (http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest) 19:39:48 <Laney> [link] http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest 19:39:48 <popey> should "we" do this, or should individuals, and if "we" do it, which should we focus on? 19:39:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/video-category/-linux-foundation-video-contest 19:40:02 <Daviey> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase) 19:40:19 <popey> yeah, the free culture showcase is a great idea, great way to get a nice video on the ubuntu cd.. 19:40:23 <popey> if the person wins :) 19:40:26 <Laney> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase 19:40:27 <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase 19:40:41 <Daviey> I'm certainly a fan of a Loco team effort for the Linux foundation 19:41:07 <popey> unfortunately many of these video things don't happen by committee 19:41:11 <Daviey> aye 19:41:12 <MooDoo> Daviey: the only problem i forsee is peoples location. 19:41:13 <popey> but it needs an individual to drive it 19:41:21 <brobostigon> what does the linux foundation do? 19:41:29 <popey> MooDoo: if it's planned well i suspect a 30 second video could be recorded in a weekend 19:41:29 <Daviey> I was about to say that, i'm not a video editing expert and would welcome someone to lead it that is 19:41:35 <gLAsgowMonkey> I don't think this will work as a group 19:41:40 <popey> brobostigon: promotes linux 19:41:41 <Daviey> brobostigon: good question 19:42:02 <popey> it would be a linux video - not an ubuntu video - for the linux foundation however 19:42:11 <brobostigon> popey: thats a good aim, but also a difficult one 19:42:21 <popey> whereas there are two opportunities for ubuntu specific videos.. the marketing team one, and the free software showcase one 19:42:24 <Daviey> MooDoo: if LoCo members submit a snip to go to the "editor", location is irreleavnt 19:42:34 <popey> brobostigon: not our problem, that's what they do 19:42:40 <brobostigon> ok popey 19:42:42 <MooDoo> Daviey: ah clever 19:43:03 <popey> i have had a few video ideas that need storyboarding 19:43:18 <Daviey> So, can we have a quick vote on a LoCo team effort - or individual? 19:43:21 <popey> (nothing to do with microsoft or apple campaigns by the way) 19:43:30 <popey> Daviey: i would say we throw it to the list 19:43:31 <Daviey> Then discuss which ones, or both we should enter 19:43:33 <popey> get people talking about it 19:43:48 <Daviey> sounds wise, but we need to get a move on tho 19:43:53 <MooDoo> +1 for a compilation of individual efforts... 19:43:55 <popey> or.. if people are interested in the marketing team one, point them to the marketing team mailing list? 19:43:58 <popey> rather than splinter 19:44:06 <Laney> Right, vote time 19:44:20 <popey> i dont think it is 19:44:25 <Daviey> hmm, splinter - i would like to see a ubuntu-uk effort to submit to the marketting team 19:44:50 <popey> have you seen the "whyubuntu.com" thread? 19:44:58 <popey> they want LOTS of individual submissions 19:45:06 <Daviey> yeah, not read all entries - but i do fear that might end with not much :S 19:45:07 <popey> we could organise ourselves and get the whole loco to make a lot of them? 19:45:07 <andy101> popey: which list was that on? 19:45:21 <popey> andy101: ubuntu-marketing 19:45:23 <Daviey> marketing 19:45:24 <popey> !marketing 19:45:24 <ubot5> Factoid 'marketing' not found 19:45:27 <popey> bah 19:45:38 <MooDoo> any one remember the small vids people made? "hi my name is xxxx and i pronouce ubuntu - UBUNTU"? 19:45:50 <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2008-December/thread.html 19:45:51 <Daviey> yeah 19:45:57 <popey> yeah, its like that MooDoo 19:46:15 <popey> but they want "My name is foo and I do X with Ubuntu" or "My name is foo and I am Ubuntu" 19:46:23 <popey> the whole I am Ubuntu is a bit ropey IMO 19:46:27 <Daviey> okay, will kick a thread off on the LoCo list 19:46:43 <MooDoo> sounds to much like the I'm a pc and i don't wear a shirt vids :) 19:46:57 <popey> exactly MooDoo 19:47:08 <Daviey> i would further propose that we have an extra ordianry meeting in say 1.5 weeks away to realy get cracking on the video stuff. 19:47:18 <popey> yeah, a follow up to the list 19:47:30 <popey> The Alans are working on something too 19:47:33 <popey> "Don't Tell Bill" 19:47:39 <Daviey> you damn Alan's 19:47:42 <popey> might be worth talking to them too 19:47:53 <Daviey> AlanBell1: oi 19:48:01 <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: poke 19:48:38 <Daviey> ah well, we'll get this moving on the list and have a dedicated meeting to direction of this in a week or 2. 19:48:46 <MooDoo> :) 19:48:54 <Daviey> Anyone else have anything to add to this part? 19:49:04 <vixey> hi 19:49:08 <sheepeatingtaz> Can I add a belated PRESENT? 19:49:15 <Laney> is it for me? 19:49:22 * Laney shakes the box 19:49:27 <Daviey> heh 19:49:29 <sheepeatingtaz> Laney: please 19:49:33 <sheepeatingtaz> :) 19:49:44 <popey> so thats one thing for the year ahead.. what else can we do? 19:49:49 <Daviey> Okay, other things I have been thinking about for 2009. 19:49:55 <MooDoo> what about expos? lrl09? 19:50:04 <Daviey> Camping + BBQ and hackfest in a field. 19:50:14 <Daviey> support? 19:50:24 <brobostigon> Daviey: interesting idea. 19:50:30 <Daviey> schwuk and I are certainly on board. :) 19:50:42 <Daviey> excite anybody else? 19:50:45 <franki^> will there be intarwebs? :) 19:50:47 <gord> pfft, theres no wifi in a field 19:50:47 <Ging> yes 19:50:47 <popey> yeah, I'd be up for that 19:50:48 <daubers> +1 19:50:52 <Ging> will there be girls? 19:50:54 <Daviey> gord: 3g :) 19:50:54 <brobostigon> Daviey: it depends on where it is going to be for me, but i spupport said idea. 19:50:56 <popey> pubs have wifi 19:51:11 <gord> if there were wifi in fields, cows would never get any work done 19:51:18 <franki^> :D 19:51:20 <WastePotato> o_O 19:51:23 <kalessin1> cows work? 19:51:28 <popey> too busy looking at hotudders.com 19:51:30 <Daviey> gord: one reason i suggested camping, it's easy for multiple smeely geeks to be one location, rather than hotels etc 19:51:32 <MooDoo> any local beer festivals? 19:51:38 <andy101> that's why we don't give cows laptops 19:52:02 <popey> the problem with beer festivals is that it becomes a social-only thing really 19:52:07 <popey> not a hackfest 19:52:07 <brobostigon> MooDoo: banury beer festival 19:52:18 <brobostigon> banbury* 19:52:31 <popey> and it excludes those who dont drink or cant drink 19:52:33 <popey> camping doesnt 19:52:39 <Daviey> Well it can be either, for me, it's just nice to have a real life meeting weekend - and hackfest seems constructive 19:52:47 <Daviey> but there should be a decent supply of beer :) 19:52:47 <brobostigon> true popey , so totally unfair on that front 19:52:54 <popey> not totally brobostigon 19:52:56 <andy101> what's a "hackfest" btw? 19:53:08 <popey> andy101: people sit around with computers and do "stuff" 19:53:14 <Daviey> andy101: bug work, fixing , reporting 19:53:19 <Daviey> packaging, and lessons 19:53:19 <andy101> thanks 19:53:33 <MooDoo> tutorials would be a good one. 19:53:54 <gord> first time we get anything done here and we netsplit... 19:53:55 <webpigeon> netsplit in the meeting :( 19:54:02 <franki^> heh :| 19:54:02 <MooDoo> *sigh* 18:03:01 * sigh* 19:54:16 <WastePotato> Dammit. 19:54:18 <WastePotato> Let's wait. 19:54:28 <brobostigon> Daviey: i am going to suggest, i wil find somewhere near me, so if this does go forward,i will find a place. 19:54:28 <gord> we are supposed to point and laugh 19:54:29 <MooDoo> can't do anything else :) 19:54:36 <webpigeon> i've never seen the channel so empty :P 19:54:41 <MooDoo> brobostigon: but where are you? 19:55:04 <gord> y'know where is a great place to camp? the creepy moors where all those teenagers got murdered 19:55:08 <brobostigon> MooDoo: south midlands 19:55:16 <webpigeon> hazar! 19:55:25 <franki^> hmm, ubuntu-related tutorials in a field sounds great to me :) 19:55:30 <brobostigon> north oxfordshire 19:55:30 <MooDoo> :) 19:55:31 <Ging> how do you know we're not the splitting slackers? 19:55:31 <popey> i suspect power would be more of an issue than connectivity 19:55:31 <daubers> Someone must have a generator 19:55:32 <Daviey> Okay, this is obviously in the early stages of thought 19:55:34 <Daviey> but i was thinking, Summer(ry) and a 'fair' location 19:55:34 * popey returns 19:55:34 <Ging> maybe you could make it happen at a lan party 19:55:34 <Daviey> so not in the Sunny south :( 19:55:35 <popey> daubers: we could hire one :) 19:55:35 <andy101> the south is NOT sunny! 19:55:35 <DJones> A lot of caravan/camp sites have electric points some also have wifi access 19:55:55 <andy101> somewhere with decent transport links (motorways, trains etc.) 19:55:59 <gord> anywhere more north than london is nice for me, my heart always sighs when people get together in london, just a tad too far/spensive to 19:56:00 <Daviey> Yeah, we'll hammer location out further in the future 19:56:03 <popey> lets not get bogged down in the location argument 19:56:08 <Daviey> I more wanted to gauge excitment about it 19:56:14 <popey> it never ends and never keeps everyone happy 19:56:22 * MooDoo shows his excitement :) 19:56:23 <daubers> Could always do lightning talks in a field kinda thing 19:56:29 <Daviey> exactly! 19:56:33 <popey> yeah 19:56:37 <Daviey> Okay, shall we move on? 19:56:40 <sheepeatingtaz> I think it's a great idea, but won't be going. Maybe make it an annual thing? 19:56:44 <daubers> "I'm a cow and I use Ubuntu" 19:56:49 <popey> Daviey: is that another mailing list thread? :) 19:56:54 <kalessin1> daubers: oh, dear 19:56:59 <brobostigon> Daviey: ok great idea, i support it, but locatin is sensitive for me, 19:57:04 <technolalia> Surely cows use moobuntu? 19:57:04 <gord> dress a scarecrow up like mark shuttleworth 19:57:06 <Daviey> popey: i guess :( 19:57:10 <Daviey> gord: hah 19:57:15 <Daviey> james_w: better late than never 19:57:19 * ProfFalken is up for that, re-wifi in a field: psand.net have a large truck powered by a few bicycles that we could probably get hold of (see 19:57:20 <james_w> hello everyone 19:57:37 <Daviey> okay, shall we move on? 19:57:40 <MooDoo> aye 19:57:49 <Daviey> Did anyone else have any ideas for 2009? 19:57:49 <technolalia> is this the moment to mention the bug jam? 19:57:56 <popey> technolalia: its on the agenda 19:58:15 <ProfFalken> Daviey: SoftwareFreedomDay or similar? 19:58:25 <webpigeon> Is it just me or si the wiki page a bit outdated? 19:58:40 <webpigeon> s/si/is 19:58:40 <popey> we already do something for software freedom day 19:58:40 <popey> webpigeon: which wiki page? 19:58:40 <Daviey> ProfFalken: ah, that one is always troublesome for a LoCo - being our stretched outness (sp?) 19:58:44 <gord> feel free to fix it up webpigeon, its a wiki 19:58:45 <webpigeon> popey, ubuntu-uk 19:59:00 <Daviey> personally, id like to see people helping a LUG Software Freedom Day 19:59:00 <popey> webpigeon: it _is_ a wiki! :) 19:59:03 <webpigeon> i never know what to put on it, hence why i dont :) 19:59:07 <Daviey> perhaps i'm being shortsighted? 19:59:10 <ProfFalken> Daviey: fiar enough, however it Ubuntu-UK teamed up with regional LUGs... 19:59:11 <popey> Daviey: we have done something for the last two years! 19:59:19 <Daviey> popey: as a LoCo? 19:59:22 <popey> yes 19:59:34 <Daviey> I thought that was more HantsLUG? :) 19:59:39 <ProfFalken> lol 19:59:44 <popey> bracknell isnt in hants :p 19:59:56 <Daviey> heh 19:59:58 <popey> Alan Cocks does it on behalf of Ubuntu UK LoCo 20:00:20 <popey> we certainly promote it around the lugs in the area 20:00:25 * Daviey did not know this. But in any sense i wouldn't exactly call Bracknell a national effort :) 20:00:31 <MooDoo> ooo t-shirts, stickers [sorry got carried away] 20:00:37 <popey> but he's the only person (I'm aware of) within the LoCo who did anything 20:00:46 <popey> Daviey: feel free to volunteer to do something next year then 20:00:53 <popey> he's the only person who got off his arse and did something 20:01:12 <Daviey> well this is what i'm saying, is it something the LoCo should be doing, or supporting the LoCo members to help do a LUG one? 20:01:26 <popey> I guess both are appropriate. 20:01:36 <popey> other locos do it 20:01:41 <`Chris> PRESENT - Or am I too late? 20:01:43 <popey> and other lugs do it 20:01:45 <sheepeatingtaz> I for one would feel more inclined to help a loco one 20:01:57 <Ging> `Chris, i thought you were boycotting 20:02:13 * ProfFalken would look to ubuntu-uk for literature etc to support a regional effort (a number of LUGs/other interested parties) 20:02:18 <Daviey> However, our LoCo has a larger geographical spread than some of the US (example) LoCo's making it more difficult 20:02:34 <popey> i dont think we can use that as a reason not to do stuff 20:02:39 <sheepeatingtaz> Daviey: maybe more difficult to get together 20:02:45 <Daviey> no, i'm not saying that 20:02:47 <popey> we are nowhere near as large as many other countries 20:02:47 <sheepeatingtaz> but not to do *something* 20:02:49 <popey> france? 20:03:03 <ProfFalken> Daviey: if we could put together a "resource pack" for other groups to use on SFD should they wish, then I think that would be a 20:03:09 <Daviey> What i am saying is better support LoCo members to do a LUG /regional one 20:03:20 <Ging> they have much better trains than us in france 20:03:21 <popey> as opposed to a national event? 20:03:25 <Daviey> ie, more local LUG members than spread out LoCo members 20:03:30 <Daviey> Well hwo can it be national? 20:03:40 <gord> i don't really get the point of this, its not like anyone is saying that the loco is barred from doing anything. if people from the loco 20:03:51 <popey> indeed 20:04:00 <Daviey> I would suggest we provide better literature and CD's (maybe) to LoCo members for regional SFD's 20:04:06 <popey> just because something happens in bracknell, doesn't stop it being a national event 20:04:23 <ProfFalken> resource pack could include CDs, Flyers, Stickers etc that are Ubuntu-UK orientated but underpin SFD's principles 20:04:31 <Daviey> ^ +1 20:04:34 <gLAsgowMonkey> Daviey I don't think we have a clear contact for requesting this 20:04:46 <popey> requesting what? 20:04:54 <gord> yeah it would be great if we could set up some sort of pack that (pdfs, that kinda thing) that people could use, offical ubuntu-uk software 20:04:55 <gLAsgowMonkey> media, stickers 20:05:06 <popey> gLAsgowMonkey: i thought ProfFalken was propsing we create it 20:05:15 * Daviey also 20:05:43 <gLAsgowMonkey> popey: yes but a pack but at present there is no clear contact for "stuff" 20:05:51 <Daviey> we have no "stuff" :) 20:05:59 <gLAsgowMonkey> so having a pack is not much use unless requests are funnelled 20:06:00 <MooDoo> and Daviey is the poc :) 20:06:00 <ProfFalken> popey: correct (although I'm sure someone could poke Jono and see what he can provide?) 20:06:05 <Daviey> CD's sure, but adhoc from shipit is often easier 20:06:13 <popey> we can get conference packs from canonical 20:06:20 <popey> i have done for Alan when he runs the SFD in Bracknell 20:06:33 <popey> providing t-shirts, caps, CDs, stickers 20:06:42 <popey> we could improve / add-to that 20:06:46 <gord> we don't need to provide CD's or really anything else generic. we need to provide UK specific stuff surely? people can get the other stuff 20:07:03 <Daviey> I was about to say, you don't get enough - so we should look at making ther eown 20:07:08 * Daviey points towards the French LoCo's mugs 20:07:08 <popey> we can get the CDs gord that's not a problem, and Alan Cocks has created some leaflets 20:07:18 <Daviey> However, then we get down the £££ disucssion 20:07:44 * ProfFalken wonders if the material already exists on various people's HDDs and just needs collating... 20:07:44 <gLAsgowMonkey> so we get any help from canonical 20:07:54 <popey> gLAsgowMonkey: we do get some yes 20:07:56 <gLAsgowMonkey> I mean marketing and promotion 20:08:15 <Daviey> gLAsgowMonkey: Not as much as would be required 20:08:45 <Daviey> So the LoCo marketting department should be repushed :) 20:08:46 <gLAsgowMonkey> I understand it's a finite resource 20:09:11 <Daviey> okay, can we try and bring this point to a head? 20:09:12 <popey> what if we tied the bbq/hackfest up with something like SFD, rather than have multiple events through the year with low turnout, throw all 20:09:18 <gLAsgowMonkey> Daviey: I think so, but in turn we *may* need some help 20:09:20 <ProfFalken> popey: :o) 20:09:23 <popey> given SFD is on a saturday 20:09:39 <brobostigon> popey: good idea 20:09:41 <MooDoo> why not just make it a bring a bottle, burger and distro day :) 20:09:42 <Daviey> popey: that is certainlly an idea 20:09:47 <Ging> what is SFD ? 20:09:50 <gord> careful, we might end up with egg on our faces... actually i agree but puns are fun. 20:09:53 <Daviey> software freedom day 20:09:55 <ProfFalken> MooDoo: lol, sounds great 20:09:57 <webpigeon> Ging, http://softwarefreedomday.org/ 20:10:07 <daubers> Uhhh... is being in a field in september a good idea? 20:10:15 <daubers> it has a tendency to be fairly damp 20:10:16 <Daviey> okay, this point needs further discussion - and a thread would be excellant 20:10:17 <kalessin1> duabers: good point 20:10:22 <Daviey> popey: can you do that one? 20:10:26 <popey> yes 20:10:36 <Daviey> cool, lets move on 20:10:44 <Daviey> anything else for 2009 direction? 20:10:49 <popey> more contribution! 20:10:58 <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IdeasPool 20:11:00 <popey> we need to be more active at doing bugs / launchpad answers / forums etc 20:11:02 <daubers> popey: Wasn't there some event happening in Farnborough? 20:11:13 <popey> daubers: yeah, not heard back yet, supposed to be early august 20:11:25 <daubers> ok 20:11:34 <Daviey> The UK is doing "pretty" well for 5-a-day 20:11:59 <Daviey> With the current stats, i can't see a reason the UK couldn't be #1 for a team effort 20:11:59 <MooDoo> Daviey: is there a select few or is it all across the board? 20:11:59 <popey> only as individuals 20:12:02 * sheepeatingtaz needs to read up on 5 a day 20:12:05 <popey> there is no concerted effort 20:12:17 <popey> we dont pimp is on the list 20:12:19 <Daviey> txwikinger is doing really well IIRC 20:12:21 <popey> we dont pimp the stats for example 20:12:22 <Daviey> and james_w 20:12:34 <popey> i was thinking more of non-canonical people :) 20:12:34 <Laney> I never submit to it ¬_¬ 20:12:36 * Laney is naughty 20:12:38 <daubers> How long does the 5-a day take? half an hour? 20:12:39 <txwikinger> o/ Daviey 20:13:07 <Daviey> daubers: i'm not the best person to ask tbh - my 5-a-day isn't quite 5-a-day :) 20:13:15 <gord> I do the answer tracker when i can, but that doesn't get as much kudos, it can also use peoples support 20:13:16 <Daviey> txwikinger: \o 20:13:18 * ProfFalken is going self-employed this month and hopes to be able to add to launchpad soon... 20:14:01 <Daviey> How can the LoCo try and get people more into 5-a-day and LP answers? 20:14:02 <popey> so basically I'd like to see us have a co-ordinated effort towards contribution in our team 20:14:02 <webpigeon> "We are currently planning our presence at LugRadioLive2008." -.- 20:14:12 <popey> webpigeon: edit it 20:14:22 <webpigeon> popey, I will do :P 20:14:31 <james_w> we could run some sessions on how to get started with 5-a-day, answers, etc. 20:14:39 <Daviey> james_w: online or RL? 20:14:52 <popey> that leads nicely onto the subject of bug jam really? 20:14:55 <james_w> Daviey: either would work, but I was thinking online 20:14:57 <ProfFalken> Daviey: either - I really don't know where to start... :o( 20:15:00 <james_w> we can do RL ones at the bug jam 20:15:06 <gLAsgowMonkey> we could tie that in with a "how to file a bug report" and related topics 20:15:07 <Daviey> woot! 20:15:23 <Daviey> Shall we move onto the topic of "Bug Jam"? 20:15:24 <gord> How can you have a co-ordinated effort? I mean maybe we could have a bot use the LP api to print out the highest rollers on 5aday and such 20:15:52 <james_w> the classroom team would certainly appreciate any sessions we can run 20:15:58 <popey> gord: talking about it helps 20:16:24 <Daviey> agreed. 20:16:44 <popey> Daviey: we could do a talk at the LUG about it? 20:16:45 <Daviey> The global bug jam is soon, and that could be something we do - lessons in RL? 20:17:21 <popey> As I said on the mailing list I'd be happy to host a Bug Jam event here at my place 20:17:32 <technolalia> popey: where is your place? 20:17:34 <james_w> for the bug jam we could start off with an overview, and then "mentor" people as needed through the rest of the event 20:17:39 <popey> farnborough, hampshire 20:17:39 <Daviey> popey: Sure, i'm always twitchy about Ubuntu specific stuff asking for extra effort at a LUG. The other disto'ers don't like it for some 20:17:45 <Daviey> But certainly a good idea 20:17:52 <popey> yeah, bar stewards 20:18:00 <popey> james_w: agreed 20:18:01 <`Chris> Daviey: I would love to participate in the bugjam, I've been trying to work out how to use the 5aday thing from D. Holbach. I'm kinda 20:18:20 <james_w> I could probably get a venue in Bristol for the bug jam 20:18:23 <Daviey> `Chris: well what we are currently thinking both Online and somewhere rea life 20:18:24 <popey> I was thinking that at the bug jam we could have groups of people, some doing bugs, some doing launchpad answers, others learning.. 20:18:34 <james_w> popey: good idea 20:18:34 <Daviey> popey has offered his gaff as a host 20:18:45 <ProfFalken> james_w: +1 for bristol, I'm in Monmouth 20:18:50 <popey> we should put a page up about venues 20:18:53 <Daviey> james_w: what sort of venue are you thinking? 20:18:59 <popey> how many people they can take, facilities etc 20:19:09 * `Chris is located in S. Wales, nothing over 100miles preferably :) 20:19:16 <technolalia> I could contact the University of Westminster, as used by GLLUG 20:19:21 <Daviey> we could certainly have >1 venue- but it would be a shame to split the experts too much - especailly two in southern england 20:19:24 <popey> that would be cool technolalia 20:19:31 <popey> Daviey: i disagree 20:19:33 <`Chris> How far away (in time) is the bugjam? 20:19:38 <popey> i think we _should_ split the experts up 20:19:44 <popey> divide and conquer 20:19:49 <Daviey> popey: two venues in southern england? 20:19:52 <andylockran> howdy 20:19:56 <james_w> Daviey: there's a couple of caffs, but you obviously have to keep buying things. There's an independenct cinema, the center used my 20:19:57 * Daviey considers Bristol and Farn' quite close together 20:20:12 <james_w> Daviey: I've not done much research, but there must be somewhere. 20:20:14 <Daviey> andylockran: o/ 20:20:30 <james_w> I'm more than happy to go to popey's, I just wanted to provide him with an alternative. 20:20:31 <popey> how about we ask people to go forth and find locations - promptly 20:20:31 * sheepeatingtaz would offer his house, but a) it's small, and b) it's in the north :) 20:20:37 * andylockran is just catching up on your conversation.. 20:20:43 <Laney> The London one sounds like the best option to me 20:20:52 <popey> and come back in 1-2 weekas 20:20:52 <ProfFalken> Daviey: ??? Bristol is 45 minutes from my house, farnborough is 2.5 hrs... 20:21:06 <Daviey> okay, james_w can you hit the mailing list - asking for people to find location and add them to the wiki? 20:21:13 <popey> lets not start getting into location arguments :) 20:21:17 <james_w> Daviey: yes sir! 20:21:21 <popey> lets just all start finding decent places and pitch them :) 20:21:23 <ProfFalken> james_w: st. werbs would be good... 20:21:42 <`Chris> I have a few decent places around S. Wales thanks to the SWLUG but no-one is from around here, is there? 20:21:48 <kalessin1> ProfFalken: I second that 20:21:51 <popey> yeah, a wiki page detailing the basics of a location would be good 20:21:59 <brobostigon> good idea popey 20:22:01 <ProfFalken> `Chris: I'm in Monmouth... 20:22:09 <Daviey> ---> moving on 20:22:11 <ProfFalken> but SWLUG covers a fscking huge area... 20:22:12 <gLAsgowMonkey> can we move on please 20:22:26 <technolalia> Chris: I have family in Swansea 20:22:35 <Daviey> okay, we also need to gauage attendance at A or multiple venus 20:22:52 <Daviey> we'll do this in a future meeting + mailing list + wiki (or similar page) 20:22:57 <brobostigon> or even alternative venues 20:23:02 <popey> yeah, it might actually make sense to have multiple (even in the south) as some people are not willing to travel far or have low budgets 20:23:08 <popey> when is the bug jam? 20:23:17 <popey> its not long 20:23:23 <james_w> end of Feb 20:23:27 <james_w> 20thish 20:23:32 <Daviey> sure, we'll need to do this "at large" - wiki showing locations and possible attendance of names 20:23:33 <popey> thats not long at all 20:23:42 <Daviey> but we can't do that directly in this meeting 20:23:45 <popey> I'd say we need to discuss this weekly as it's so soon 20:23:47 <Daviey> err does it clash with FOSDEM? 20:23:50 <popey> no 20:23:54 <popey> thats at the start of feb 20:24:01 <popey> 7/8 20:24:06 <Daviey> cool 20:24:22 <webpigeon> Do we know where everyone is? 20:24:25 <Daviey> Okay, i think we already have enough content for a meeting next week! 20:24:38 <popey> i think we should! 20:24:45 <brobostigon> yep 20:24:52 <Daviey> i think we should hit this topic on the mailing list, a formulate an attack plan next week 20:24:53 <popey> get this stuff all tidied up 20:25:29 <Daviey> But Bug Jam looks like it will happend, and sounds like it'll be successful! 20:25:32 <Daviey> (woot) 20:25:39 <Daviey> happen* 20:25:46 <popey> yay 20:25:54 <Daviey> okay, move on? 20:25:57 <popey> yeah 20:26:02 <`Chris> Last question! 20:26:07 <`Chris> Venues - We bring own laptops yeah? 20:26:08 <Daviey> `Chris: go 20:26:15 <Daviey> hell yeah :) 20:26:19 <`Chris> ok cool 20:26:31 <Daviey> Laney: next topic? 20:26:34 <popey> unless people have spare/extra ones 20:26:43 <Laney> MooDoo: Are you here? 20:26:46 * popey pokes MooDoo 20:26:53 <MooDoo> PRESENT :) 20:27:03 <Laney> [topic] Free Media - MooDoo 20:27:04 <MootBot> New Topic: Free Media - MooDoo 20:27:06 <Laney> take it away 20:27:32 <MooDoo> ok my idea is a simple one, create a group of individuals who would at a request ship ubuntu media - 20:27:42 <MooDoo> our own volunteer version of shipit :) 20:28:14 <Daviey> MooDoo: would it offer more than shipit? 20:28:29 <`Chris> Daviey: I assume faster delivery times is a bonus 20:28:36 <brobostigon> MooDoo: do you envision small amounts, or the large amounts lugs and those kind of people would need? 20:28:42 <MooDoo> Daviey: depends on the individual, as cost would be a factor 20:29:06 <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm really thinking low volume, as it's voluteer based. 20:29:16 <sheepeatingtaz> I can't see that there would be a huge demand 20:29:19 <Daviey> Sounds like a worthy idea 20:29:20 <popey> worth noting that the loco team leader can order a large number of CDs, and could distribute them somehow 20:29:24 <brobostigon> so 5 or less? 20:29:30 <gord> I'm not sure how much need there is for this, its not like the mailing list is full of people requesting cd's or anything and surely if 20:29:44 <popey> I suspect it's more useful for people outside the UK 20:30:01 <sheepeatingtaz> In which case, probably won't be much quicker than shipit? 20:30:07 <MooDoo> brobostigon: depends on the person, how much they want to spend on cd's and postag, 20:30:09 <popey> we (loco council) have already been asked if it's possible for other LoCos to send them (in Africa) some CDs or a hard disk containing a 20:30:31 <brobostigon> MooDoo: and ofcourse a donation if its a larger amount? 20:30:31 * ProfFalken used shippit a while back. it took nearly six weeks for the CDs to arrive... 20:30:33 <MooDoo> sheepeatingtaz: shipit sends next day? 20:30:38 <popey> someone asked me on irc a while ago where they could get some CDs and I posted some to them 20:30:52 <MooDoo> popey: that's exactly what i'm on about. 20:31:00 <MooDoo> a form on the wiki for instance 20:31:06 <popey> i just put them in a jiffy bag and posted them - didnt cost much 20:31:07 <sheepeatingtaz> MooDoo: not sure, last time I ordered from shipit, I got within a week or so 20:31:14 <MooDoo> the details would be sorted later. 20:31:15 <popey> sheepeatingtaz: thats rare 20:31:27 <kalessin1> one problem 20:31:30 <sheepeatingtaz> popey: last time, good couple of years ago... 20:31:40 <MooDoo> kalessin1: go :) 20:31:41 <gLAsgowMonkey> would it be possible to shit some boxes of branded cd's to these volunteers 20:31:44 <popey> maybe we could improve the system we have already? 20:31:49 <popey> I have 100 or so CDs here 20:31:56 <kalessin1> anyone looking for media would probably find shipit long before this 20:31:59 <Daviey> gLAsgowMonkey: i guess you mean ship* :) 20:32:03 <ProfFalken> gLAsgowMonkey: may I suggest s/shit/shift ? 20:32:05 <ProfFalken> :oP 20:32:06 <gLAsgowMonkey> haha 20:32:09 <MooDoo> kalessin1: it's in addition not a replacement 20:32:21 <gLAsgowMonkey> it's the aspire keyboard honest 20:32:24 <gord> there are resellers that will send you ubuntu cd's for like a pound as well, quickly 20:32:41 <MooDoo> gord: i'd do it free if it got ubuntu out there. 20:32:47 <ProfFalken> does anyone know where ship-it is based location wise? is there a ship-it depot in the UK? 20:32:55 <popey> holland 20:33:11 <Daviey> Something that could be a concern - what if demand for this is huge, and we can't keep up at all? 20:33:23 <gord> its not the cost that i'm going on about, im just not sure if there is a need 20:33:24 <MooDoo> Daviey: disclaimers 20:33:44 <popey> it comes on the cover of linux format regularly 20:33:51 <ProfFalken> ok, so is it worth talking to canonical and see if there can be a few volunteers in the UK that hold a stock of CDs and post out 20:33:53 <MooDoo> it's only volunteer based, i'd have no problem posting a cd to someone free if they requested it 20:33:56 <`Chris> gord: I often need to use shipit, since my internet is rather slow and my burner is messed up to say the least 20:34:08 <popey> ProfFalken: i do have some stock 20:34:17 <popey> this is what I've been saying for the last 10 mins :) 20:34:24 <popey> the loco team leader gets to order in bulk 20:34:30 * Daviey has an amount, not sure how many 20:34:36 <popey> I ordered and got some intrepid CDs very soon after release 20:34:41 <popey> I received about 350 of them 20:34:48 <brobostigon> wow 20:35:14 <popey> some have gone to events, others I have posted out, others I have given to people running events (like Alan Cocks at SFD) 20:35:14 <MooDoo> well there is a wiki page on the idea, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IdeasPool/Free_Media :) 20:35:26 <andylockran> other thing is whether should send the LTS releases, or any release ? 20:35:40 <Daviey> LTS or latest IMO 20:35:48 <brobostigon> andylockran: u would be happier with just LTS 20:35:52 <MooDoo> andylockran: you would as a volunteer let people know what you're willing to send out....you may have all versions 20:35:53 <brobostigon> i * 20:35:55 * franki^ loves LTS <3 20:36:07 <popey> i still have some LTS ones that have the ssh vuln on! 20:36:09 <`Chris> Same as Daviey however, there are some who would need LTS since they just want a stable distro without the need for major updating 20:36:10 <popey> nobody wants them 20:36:11 * ProfFalken proposes that we use the LoCo POC to order the CDs for a number of volunteers that then send them out to those that request them 20:36:24 * ProfFalken uses latest for desktop, LTS for server... 20:36:25 <popey> ProfFalken: who pays? 20:36:28 <Daviey> haha 20:36:37 <popey> I will happy post out the ones I have 20:36:40 <Daviey> ProfFalken: I won't be able to post multiple cd's per day :( 20:36:42 <popey> in batches of 5 for example 20:36:57 <MooDoo> i will happily pay for a box of cd's every few months for ubuntu cd's for requests. 20:37:04 <popey> i doubt you'd get that many requests Daviey 20:37:04 <`Chris> 5 is a moderate number but can be changed depending on the demand? 20:37:06 * ProfFalken realises that his proposal might not be such a good idea after all... 20:37:32 <popey> multiples of 5 keeps it easy, 5 keeps it cheap 20:37:41 <popey> you can post them in a "large letter" envelope 20:37:41 <Daviey> popey: This will be turning it from a LoCo team effort which MooDoo is suggesting, to the PoC / Leaders responsibility 20:37:43 <popey> for low cost 20:37:49 <popey> not entirely Daviey 20:38:00 <MooDoo> i'm thinking that someone emails a form, the form details get posted to a page and a volunteer see it and makes it as "i'll send that" 20:38:06 <popey> if you got 350 from canonical, and then give them out in batches of 50, then they gave them out in batches of 10 etc 20:38:17 <popey> then it's only a little initial work for you 20:38:20 <Daviey> ahh, this isn't what ProfFalken suggested :) 20:38:28 <popey> oh yeah 20:38:33 <`Chris> Ideas can evolve :) 20:38:34 <popey> but you would only do it right when they arrive 20:38:51 <Daviey> sounds promising 20:38:52 <popey> thats 7 parcels once every 6 months 20:38:54 <popey> maybe twice 20:38:56 <popey> no more 20:39:12 <popey> I would happily kick the ball off by packaging up the ones I have 20:39:19 <Daviey> however, is it any more benefical than the volunteer ordering 10 fromshipit and just holding them for requests? 20:39:19 <popey> and sending them to 2 or 3 people to then pass out 20:39:34 <popey> that I am unsure of 20:39:39 <popey> but you get them faster than anyone else 20:39:41 <MooDoo> Daviey: i've only been able to order 1 at a time 20:39:48 <popey> I got intrepid CDs _real_ quick after release 20:39:49 <Daviey> oh 20:39:58 <`Chris> With shipit, you need to order 1 at a time, unless you want delays and having to explain yourself to Canonical 20:40:09 * Daviey glares at jono :) 20:40:12 <popey> date on the box is 4/11/08 20:40:16 <popey> when did intrepid release? 20:40:18 <popey> 25/10? 20:40:24 <jono> hey Daviey :) 20:40:26 <Daviey> yeah that is quick 20:40:34 <popey> he's had his coffee 20:40:38 <jono> hehe 20:40:42 <jono> hows thing chaps? 20:40:44 <jono> things 20:40:44 <Daviey> jono: didn't expect you to be here 20:40:54 <jono> Daviey, :) 20:40:56 <Daviey> jono: just having a LoCo meeting 20:40:57 <jono> just working 20:41:00 <jono> oh nice :) 20:41:16 <popey> i would say I've got about 100 or so CDs left 20:41:24 <Daviey> talking about direction, bug jam and helping shipit from a volunteer idea 20:41:27 <Daviey> jono: ^ 20:41:28 <popey> mostly desktop, some server some kubuntu 20:41:42 * Daviey has far too many server ones 20:42:02 <jono> Daviey, cool :) 20:42:20 <popey> shame they dont make the 64-bit desktop ones any more :( 20:42:25 <Daviey> okay, do people think this will really help Ubuntu 'get out there'? 20:42:26 <MooDoo> i would like a box of 100 desktop cd's then when someone wants a copy from a form [or similar] on the ubuntu-uk site, can post it to 20:42:27 <popey> seems shortsighted to me 20:42:47 <gord> you really think you'll get though 100 cd's in 6 months? 20:42:53 <popey> yes gord 20:42:58 <popey> i get throughj 300 or so 20:43:04 <popey> events as well as postage 20:43:10 <MooDoo> gord: not the point, the point is that i can send a cd when someone wants them 20:43:22 <MooDoo> how many i have left is irrelevant 20:43:31 <popey> its a potential waste 20:43:44 <Nafallo> I bought 1GB usb sticks from the Canonical store and put intrepid on them... given one to my flatmate already :-) 20:43:46 <`Chris> Humanity to others I guess does include environmental effects too? 20:43:48 <popey> as are the ones sat on the floor next to me if nobody orders them by april 20:43:48 <Daviey> ofc, we have to justify using them efficently 20:44:03 <gord> y'know you can get 4gb usb sticks from the canonical store with ubuntu pre-loaded onto them Nafallo 20:44:16 <`Chris> Nafallo: Only £2 extra 20:44:31 <Nafallo> gord: doesn't look as good and neat IMO :-) 20:44:38 <Daviey> okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, who would volunteer to do this? 20:44:45 <Daviey> MooDoo 20:44:55 <Nafallo> also, the 1GB ones are on special pricing at the moment ;-) 20:45:05 <MooDoo> :) 20:45:07 <Daviey> Nafallo: (topic) 20:45:09 <brobostigon> popey: well any fairly recent cds, that nobody wants anymore, i am happy to take of anyoes hands, and try to distribute and market. 20:45:20 <popey> ok 20:45:21 <popey> tell you what 20:45:30 <popey> I'll mail the list and let people know how many I have left 20:45:31 <Daviey> chaps... can we close this topic first? 20:45:35 <popey> i am 20:45:44 <popey> trying to :) 20:45:49 <popey> and we will see what the demand is? 20:45:53 <brobostigon> ok popey :) good idea 20:45:54 <Daviey> oh, very trying as ever popey :) 20:45:59 <popey> I will post them out in batches of 5/10 or whatever 20:46:16 <popey> and if there is sufficient demand than kick MooDoo into action and Daviey can order another box and jono can okay it :) 20:46:31 <Daviey> sounds suitable to me :) 20:46:32 <popey> Epic \/\/in 20:46:35 <Daviey> can we all go home now? 20:46:37 <Daviey> :) 20:46:55 <daubers> Daviey: Don't we need an aob? 20:46:56 <popey> MooDoo: sound fair? 20:47:09 <Daviey> daubers: yep, and plan next meeting 20:47:12 <MooDoo> popey: +1 :) 20:47:16 <popey> and action points from this one :) 20:47:28 <brobostigon> :) 20:47:44 <popey> i propose the next meeting for Wednesday 15th Jan @ 19:30 20:47:48 <Daviey> okay, topic shift - Laney :) 20:47:58 <Laney> that's it 20:48:01 <Daviey> erm 20:48:01 <Laney> [topic] AOB 20:48:02 <MootBot> New Topic: AOB 20:48:21 <webpigeon> AOB? 20:48:23 <Daviey> nothing from me :) 20:48:26 <andylockran> Any Other Business 20:48:27 <Daviey> Any other Biz 20:48:33 <webpigeon> ah :) 20:48:38 <gLAsgowMonkey> AOCB 20:48:38 <technolalia> fosdem: who's going? 20:48:48 <popey> o/ possibly 20:48:49 <Daviey> most likely o/ 20:48:56 <technolalia> definately - all booked 20:49:06 <Daviey> technolalia: eurotunnel? 20:49:08 <technolalia> there will be an ubuntu stall of some sort there, I've heard 20:49:08 <franki^> what is fosdem? :) 20:49:15 <popey> http://fosdem.org/ 20:49:16 <MootBot> LINK received: http://fosdem.org/ 20:49:16 <Daviey> technolalia: there normally is 20:49:18 <popey> conference brussels 20:49:26 <james_w> o/ 20:49:30 <technolalia> and various people from other loco teams are planning to attend 20:49:44 <technolalia> yes, eurotunnel 20:50:06 <Daviey> good -o 20:50:13 <Daviey> any other AOB? 20:50:27 <MooDoo> sorry chaps, got to go, baby calling...... 20:50:33 <Daviey> great, Laney topic shift - next meeting 20:50:34 <Laney> going, going 20:50:36 <popey> can i ask that whoever puts the info on the wiki - can then outline the action items? 20:50:39 <Laney> [topic] next meeting 20:50:40 <MootBot> New Topic: next meeting 20:50:45 <popey> so we know exactly whats happening? 20:50:54 <popey> 20:47:44 < popey> i propose the next meeting for Wednesday 15th Jan @ 19:30 20:51:00 <Daviey> popey: sounds like the chair'sjob :) 20:51:10 * popey nudges Laney :) 20:51:12 <`Chris> By the next meeting, find Bugjam venues? 20:51:13 <Laney> rofl 20:51:22 <`Chris> Especially find out about Wifi access? D: 20:51:33 <Laney> yes, that sounds like a fine date 20:51:39 <ProfFalken> popey: Weds 14th or Thurs 15th? ;o) 20:51:46 <Daviey> i might suggest next Sunday might be long enough for the mailing list threads to get moving 20:51:49 <brobostigon> i am happy with the 15th 20:51:50 <popey> stupid kde calendar 20:51:56 <popey> wednesday 14th! 20:51:59 <Laney> If people can post their threads in the next couple of days 20:52:20 <popey> ok 20:52:29 <daubers> I won't have any interwebs for the next week, but will try and attend through other means 20:52:36 <popey> next sunday is good by me too 20:52:40 <popey> quicker the better IMO 20:52:47 <gLAsgowMonkey> +1 for Sunday 20:52:50 <popey> +1 20:52:52 <Laney> one week from today? 20:52:53 <Daviey> +1 Sunday 20:52:54 <ProfFalken> +1 20:52:55 <`Chris> +1 Wednesday 20:52:55 <Daviey> yes 20:53:23 <Laney> done 20:53:25 <Daviey> okay, indifference prevails :) 20:53:27 <popey> \o/ 20:53:30 <popey> wooot 20:53:31 <Laney> thanks for attending all 20:53:38 <Laney> #endmeeting